If you watched a recent rally by gun rights protestors on Capitol Hill, it’s easy to see how passionate people in Utah are about guns. But problem isn't what you see; it's what you can't see.
"We want to have good policy in Utah," said Gov. Gary Herbert, (R) Utah.
And Governor Herbert doesn't see the need to change Utah's concealed carry law. Friday he vetoed House Bill 76 which would have given gun owners new exceptions not requiring them to obtain a concealed weapons permit.
"I don't see where anybody is inhibited in their ability and right to bear arms with our requirement to have a permit to carry concealed," said the Governor.
As you can guess, some people love the governor's veto on the bill.
"Throwing that system out would have been detrimental to public safety and detrimental to Utah as a whole," said Thomas Panuzio, Founder of Securing Our Schools.
Others wish he didn't do it.
"You're just hurting the law abiding citizen by having such a law," said Rep. Jake Anderegg, (R) District 6.
Representative Jake Anderegg said a large amount of Utahns don't see the need for concealed carry permits.
"They were driving their cattle and they were like, we want to be able to, if it starts raining, to throw a jacket on without all the sudden getting a $350 ticket for getting a violation," said Anderegg,
"It's not just about a permit it's about a process of educating someone can utilize their weapon, they can protect their home and protect themselves," said Panuzio.
Governor Herbert feels the same way, unless someone comes up with a better argument to relax Utah’s concealed carry law, the way he sees it, permits are good for everybody.
"Having additional training is good for all of us," said Gov. Herbert.
ABC 4 is told there's already talk of issuing a special legislative session to override the Governor's veto.
If that happens lawmakers would need 50 votes in the House, and 20 votes in the Senate. That special legislative session could be held as early as April or May.
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